Atheism is a Weak Worldview (When Pushed to its Logical Ends)

It’s one thing to have evidence for a worldview. It is another thing to be logical in a worldview. And then it is absolutely imperative that a worldview be livable. Atheism fails these tests (but this post deals with only the third of these).

If you will push your beliefs to their logical ends, you will find that you cannot live with your belief; it is not existentially repugnant (livable – you can’t live with it).

As stated in some comments in another post…

Worldview:
1. The overall perspective from which one sees and interprets the world.
2. A collection of beliefs about life and the universe held by an individual or a group.

(Yahoo! Dictionary)

A Theistic World View says that God is the Author of our universe, that we are accountable to Him, and that we have hope of being a part of His grand story to restore a broken world through Christ.

An Atheistic World View says that we have no Author, that we are not accountable to anyone, and there are no ideals or grand story’s of redemption, no meta-narratives behind all that we see. Since we are our own, accountable to no one, we should seek all the gratification and satisfaction we can now. The attitude toward important unseen values or deeper life questions is usually “Whatever?” (true to post-modernism) Each individual is free to create a belief system that works for them.”

Now, here’s how the atheistic worldview plays out:

If there is no God, then we have moral relativism – there is no set standard of right or wrong. Someone can take your things and it’s OK or commit genocide or take your life. Can you live with that?

If there is no God, then the temporal drives life – this world is all there is. When you say goodbye to your family for the last time, you never see them again. Can you live with that?

If there is no God, then history has to be deconstructed and reinterpreted without God in it (a virtual impossibility). Can you live with that?

If there is no God, then nature is all that is. Yet, virtually every human-being longs for more than just this world; we long for immortality, justice, and beauty. But atheism only offers here and now. Can you live with that?

If there is no God, then all religions are morally equivalent (this is absurd; one claim cannot be true and false at the same time). Can you live with that?

If there is no God, I will do what is convenient for me because I have made myself God. I am free to narrate my own drama and do what’s right for me. Can you live with this, especially when what’s right for someone else, happens to be executing our friends?

If there is no God, there is no hope for life beyond this world. Can you live with that?

If there is no God, plants and animal-life are equally as important as humans (we are no longer made in God’s image). It’s our moral right to do with life what we want, including exterminating your life when you are no longer deemed valuable. Can you live with that?

Atheism is not a livable worldview. Thus, it miserably fails the test of existential repugnance.

And remember, true love… true love…

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9 responses to “Atheism is a Weak Worldview (When Pushed to its Logical Ends)

  1. Samuel Skinner

    “that we are not accountable to anyone, and there are no ideals or grand story’s of redemption, no meta-narratives behind all that we see.”

    False. We are accountable to ourselves, our communities and mankind.

    “Since we are our own, accountable to no one, we should seek all the gratification and satisfaction we can now.”

    Yeah- those atheistic commies were all about partying… or not.

    “The attitude toward important unseen values or deeper life questions is usually “Whatever?” (true to post-modernism) Each individual is free to create a belief system that works for them.””

    Atheism and postmodernism have two differant slots in the dictionary for a reason.

    ‘If there is no God, then we have moral relativism – there is no set standard of right or wrong. Someone can take your things and it’s OK or commit genocide or take your life. Can you live with that?”

    Plato showed it was a false dilemnia 2500 years ago.

    As for “can I live with that”, I have no choice. Reality IS.

  2. Do you live in a world that doesn’t create societies? Because that’s the only world where your warped ideas of the ‘evil atheism’ can live itself out.

  3. You claim that atheism as a world view is not “livable.” Okay. That can be empirically tested. It would not take you very long to do so, because there are millions of atheists living perfectly happy and normal lives right now as I type this, including myself. How do you explain this? It might be existentially repugnant to you, but it isn’t for any atheist that I know.

    Why is that? Because the truth does not depend on whether or not we can personally “live with it.” Truth is what it is, and we can either accept that and move on with our lives, or we can evade it by convincing ourselves that a number of comforting fantasies are true.

  4. happiness is a wonderful thing. in fact, i believe that god loves it when we enjoy life.

    but happiness is not a measurement of truth. i will be overly dramatic and exaggerate for effect here, but i’m sure hitler was happy in nazi germany too- at least for a time.but this didn’t make his worldview right.

    atheists will enjoy many things in life, but atheism is not livable.

    what happens when moral relativism – no set standard of right or wrong – impacts you personally and decides not to pay you for your work. are you happy then?

    what happens when you say goodbye to your family for the last time, and you’ll never see them again? are you happy then?

    what happens when you are swallowed up in widespread evil in a government gone bad? and no God will ever hold anyone accountable.. are you still happy?

    what happens when one group of people decide to eliminate your ethnic group?

    what happens when it becomes someone’s moral right to do with life what they want, including exterminating your life when you are no longer deemed valuable. are you still happy?

    Atheism is not a livable worldview. Thus, it miserably fails the test of existential repugnance.

    listen to me james. the longing for happily ever after is written on the human heart. Every story has an ending, including yours. It’s only in Jesus that we have happily ever after. “Even if you do manage to find a little taste of a man-made Eden in this life, even if you are one of the fortunate souls who finds some love and happiness in the world, you cannot hang on to it. Your health cannot hold out forever. Age will conquer you. One by one your friends and loved ones will slip from your hand. Your work will remain unfinished. Your time on this stage will come to an end. Like every other person gone before you, you will breathe your last breath. And then what? Is that the end of the story? (Eldredge, Epic).”

    If you have desires that you just can’t quite get fulfilled in this life, it’s because you were made for another world.

  5. The Tofu

    “…happiness is not a measurement of truth.”

    THANK YOU.

    This is why your arguments on how atheism is bleak, or bankrupt, or depressing, or doesn’t answer your “deeper questions,” or provide meaning- this is why your arguments are absolutely pointless.

    Even if atheism didn’t allow for happiness or fulfillment (which isn’t the case), it wouldn’t make it false.

  6. J. J. Ramsey

    joeynelson: “If there is no God, then we have moral relativism”

    This is a PRATT–Point Refuted A Thousand Times–including in the comments on this blog. Yet you keep repeating it. It’s reminiscent of Morton’s demon:

    Morton’s demon was a demon who sat at the gate of my sensory input apparatus and if and when he saw supportive evidence coming in, he opened the gate. But if he saw contradictory data coming in, he closed the gate. In this way, the demon allowed me to believe that I was right and to avoid any nasty contradictory data.

    Glenn Morton added, “Fortunately, I eventually realized that the demon was there and began to open the gate when he wasn’t looking.” I hope that you will, too.

  7. I have never asserted that happiness is a sign that a worldview is true. What I have asserted is that atheism is bankrupt to answer the deeper questions of life that many atheist “pretend” don’t matter. They “play dumb” to these questions, repress their conscience, assert that they are happy, and construct elaborate naturalistic arguments to deny intelligent design.

    Atheists can never answer the deeper life questions. They castrate and bid the gelding “Be fruitful.” They cut themselves off from the sources that hold the answers to the important questions in life, and then they can’t figure out why they can’t answer them. Go figure.

    But when you think about it, the “demon” that is spoken of here works at the gates of both theistic/atheistic camps. I’ll give you that.

    But with a Theist, he allows for the possibility of God; the atheist has already ruled it out. The atheist won’t even let the “demon” approach the gate.

    They’ve castrated themselves, and then they wonder why can’t I answer the questions that really matter: where did I come from? how did I get here? why am i here? what happened/went wrong (obviously something is wrong in a world with suffering)? what is being done to fix it? what is my part? how will it all end?

    I have yet met an atheist who can satisfactorily answer these questions. They have castrated and then they wonder, “How come I can’t answer those questions with a degree of certainty?” You answer these questions for an atheist and he/she looks at you like your from another planet. Totally clueless.

    Sure. You can experience a measure of happiness as an atheist. You are made in the image of God. He has given all people gifts to enjoy (whether they believe in him or not). But you must never mistake these gifts for the Giver himself.

    If you find some pleasant things in this life, it’s merely a “pleasant inn” said C.S. Lewis. But don’t mistake it for home.

  8. The Tofu

    Joey, I’m not interested in if you think atheism allows for happiness or morality. There are alternative solutions to your questions, even if you don’t want to recognize them.

    What I’m interested in is determining what reality is in the most objective manner possible, so that I can make decisions based on truth rather than opinion or feeling.

  9. Atheism is a Weak Worldview (When Pushed to its Logical Ends)
    “It’s one thing to have evidence for a worldview.”

    You just used the word “worldview”. If you are not about to innacurately strawman us, I’ll eat my hat.

    “And then it is absolutely imperative that a worldview be livable. …

    If you will push your beliefs to their logical ends, you will find that you cannot live with your belief; it is not existentially repugnant (livable – you can’t live with it).”

    So… You’re complaining about suicide cults?

    “An Atheistic World View says that we have no Author, that we are not accountable to anyone,”

    My hat is safe, it is on the shelf uneaten.

    “and there are no ideals or grand story’s of redemption, no meta-narratives behind all that we see. Since we are our own, accountable to no one,”

    Not only is my hat safely on the shelf uneaten, but he has Freinds now.

    “we should seek all the gratification and satisfaction we can now.”

    Look! A whole collection of hats!

    “The attitude toward important unseen values or deeper life questions is usually “Whatever?””

    That’s not the actual answer you dickhead, that’s the answer we give YOU when YOU ask stupid questions. I’m not even clear on the kind of confusion of ideas that would lead you to that conclusion.

    “If there is no God, then we have moral relativism”

    Hey, there’s masks now!

    “– there is no set standard of right or wrong.”

    And helmets!

    “Someone can take your things and it’s OK or commit genocide or take your life. Can you live with that?”

    Ok I’m dropping the “your strawman actually makes my hat collection get bigger” metaphore now.

    Moral relativism is stupid. Anyone who needs an external source of morality, INCLUDING A GOD, (especially a god) is a psychopath. If you can’t imagine how someone can be good without threats of hellfire, that says way more about you than us. Why the hell would you even continue after mentioning genocide? Genocide is such an obviously evil thing that anything you say to try and make people feel bad about genocide is like… Like… It’s like saying “can you live with that?” After talking about Genocide! At the moment I’m having trouble thinking of anything else that simultaneously callous, stupid and redundant.”

    Also Hitler was a Christian.

    “If there is no God, then the temporal drives life – this world is all there is. When you say goodbye to your family for the last time…”

    Yeah yeah death is sad and that proves the Carebears are real.

    “If there is no God, then history has to be deconstructed and reinterpreted without God in it (a virtual impossibility). Can you live with that?”

    There is no God in history. Not once, ONCE, is there a single historical account of a giant hand coming down to interfere with any war.

    “If there is no God, then nature is all that is. Yet, virtually every human-being longs for more than just this world; we long for immortality, justice, and beauty. But atheism only offers here and now. Can you live with that?”

    How many times are you going to give me the chance to use the Carebears argument?

    “If there is no God, then all religions are morally equivalent (this is absurd; one claim cannot be true and false at the same time). Can you live with that?”

    Most of them are repugnant. Except the ones that have never killed a single person, they’re OK.

    “If there is no God, I will do what is convenient for me because I have made myself God.”

    That says more about you than us

    “I am free to narrate my own drama and do what’s right for me. Can you live with this, especially when what’s right for someone else, happens to be executing our friends?”

    Does your religion rob you of your conscience?

    “If there is no God, there is no hope for life beyond this world. Can you live with that?”

    Hope is the belief that one day, something better will be true. Poor people have hope, rich people have no hope. A loser has hope, Hugh Hefner has no hope. If you have hope, then you don’t have the thing you hope for. I’d rather have it.

    “If there is no God, plants and animal-life are equally as important as humans (we are no longer made in God’s image). It’s our moral right to do with life what we want, including exterminating your life when you are no longer deemed valuable. Can you live with that?”

    For that exact reason, a lot of atheists are vegetarians and/or animal rights activists you idiot.

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